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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 1, 2011 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: When he paints his masterpiece

Possibly the greatest lyric ever written.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMWLjgPTR_c

Here is another gem covered beautifully by Emmylou.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpKB3EU9FYc

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Poster: Reade Date: Dec 1, 2011 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

That's quite the garge band he has banging away behind him on 'Idiot Wind.'

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 1, 2011 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

Yeah they were a ragged grouping,but brought a certain something to the music on those fall 75' and spring 76' tours.I don't remember everyone,but he had Mick Ronson,Bobby Neuwirth,T-Bone Burnette on guitar,Rob Stoner on bass,Howie Wyeth on drums,Scarlet Rivera on violin,and a varied line up of folks who would wander onstage for a song or two here and there.To my ears Bob never sounded better live than those two tours.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Dec 1, 2011 4:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

"To my ears Bob never sounded better live than those two tours."

I agree. He was so comfortable performing at that point, and it clearly showed. I'll always love his early acoustic performances from the '60s, and there's something about those early shows that is just so magical, but overall '75 my favorite year, with '76 very close behind. This was also the peak of Neil Young's live music imo.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-12-02 00:39:44

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 1, 2011 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

I am a fan of all era's of Bob's music outside of that lounge act he toured with in 78'.I think the 75'-76' tours profited from the brilliant material from Blood on the Tracks and Desire being core material for the performances.I like Neil but can't speak to his live performance peak,not being that well versed in his history.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 2, 2011 7:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

Among Dylan fans, these Rolling Thunder/Blood-Desire period is highly esteemed . I guess I am in dissent of this opinion, but I do find it strange that in his long, long, ongoing "Never-ending" touring , how rarely he does material from the 70's albums, except for "Tangled". "Forever Young" , and "Heaven's Door". I wonder if those songs are too close to the Sara thing , for him to be comfortable ?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 2, 2011 9:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

He does a show of about 20 songs per performance with the last four slots dedicated to the "hits",Rolling Stone,Watchtower,and the acoustic portion usually wastes another one or two on "hits" such as Times They Are,Blowin in the Wind,that leaves you with about 14 songs of which a few more are used on his newest albums selections leaving 11 or 12 songs,subtract one or two more for songs from somewhat recent newer albums and you are at about 10 songs where material from the two aforementioned albums could be played.Considering the size of his catalog and wealth of worthy material to be played,he has played Tangled Up,Simple Twist,Big Girl Now,Shelter from the Storm,Hurricane,Joey,One More Cup of Coffee,If You See Her and Oh Sister with some regularity for the entirity of the never ending tour.I can't say off handed how many times they were performed,but Your'e Gonna Mke Me Lonesome,Meet Me in the Morning and Romance in Durango have all had a few performances since 75'-76'.I am unsure about Mozambique,Black Diamond Bay,Buckets of Rain,Lily,Rosemary and the Jack of Hearts.As for the last two and most important Idiot Wind and Isis,he did a few(2 -4 ?) rearranged weak versions of Idiot Wind in the 90's (?) and to my knowledge as never done another Isis,what a pity.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Dec 2, 2011 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

nice post jerlouvis. meet me in the morning was last played in '07. romance in durango '03. you're gonna make me lonesome '76.

in looking at the list in the link below, there still is a decent amount of '70s material that he's played in pretty recent tours.

http://www.bobdylan.com/songs

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 2, 2011 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

Thanks RD,here is good site for all things concerning Dylan songs/setlists.I obviously didn't check the site for the info in my post and went off the top of my head or I would have caught the Your'e Gonna Make Me Lonesome.

http://boblinks.com/setdate.html

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 2, 2011 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

Without a "Dylanbase" in front of me , I can't comment . It does appear he has slipped in more of the 70's stuff lately ( good news ). I haven't been following his live stuff for a while, but it was a complaint among fans of those 70's songs, was how rarely he delved there ( see Robert Grey's "Song and Dance Man III" , But this was a while ago .
Speaking of the 80's song mentioned , I just recently found out he wrote "Every Grain of Sand" for Nana Mouskouri ?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 2, 2011 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

As you probably know DD us Dylanheads are a crotchety,picky lot,not unlike deadheads in our passion for what he plays and how he plays it,so I think the complaints about his 70's material were more about a few choice songs he wasn't playing as opposed to the breadth of his 70's catalog because my first show was 81' and he was still in the "religious phase" and even then he did Simple Twist.I then saw him very regularly,about 10 shows a year from 85'-99',and in that span he did a fairly good job of playing songs fron his 70's output,of course I would have enjoyed a drastic revision of the setlists,but for the most part he did cover a wide range of the music he created.I'm claiming no expertise nor am I being contentious here DD,just speaking from what was my experience and I very well could be wrong.I can shed no light on Every Grain/Nana Mouskouri question,but I did chuckle at another seemingly unlikely Bob pairing to go along with Raquel Welch,Mavis Staples and many others.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 2, 2011 3:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

Ha ha we are ! I am not a big fan of the Rolling Thunder shows and I find Desire rather uneven , with some really weak writing , BUT, lots Dylan fans just love this stuff , so my loss I guess . I actually may like Street Legal, the best of the 70's records ( and IT is uneven !).
Here is a bit on the Bob>Nana deal.

in the 1980s, she struck up an unlikely and somewhat intense friendship with Bob Dylan. After they were introduced by (who else?) Leonard Cohen, Dylan went to several of Mouskouri's concerts, enjoyed some late-night suppers with her and even wrote her a song: the sublime Every Grain of Sand.
Veteran Dylan-watchers may conclude from the specifics of this acquaintance that Bob was putting some of his famous moves on Nana, but either through lack of interest or good-hearted naivety she was able to resist.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/non_fictionreviews/3669177/Nana-Mouskouri-Diva-with-specs-appeal.html

Now I found this whole thing pretty weird in lots of ways .For one thing , she is as about as different of a singer from Bob, as could possibly be .Dylan's whole deal is "soul", where she, as Dylan has said "She sings like a bird in a cage", beautiful, but not terribly interruptive . I'm not crazy about her Dylan covers, they sound like she has been listening to Joan Baez's versions . Though her Hard Rain, is sort of good in a weird, sort of "Ode to Billy Joe', way .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQa3bjNzoI0&;feature=related

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 2, 2011 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

Valid point on Desire,but for me Isis,Hurricane and One More Cup make up for some of the weaker points,but I have to say I don't like him colllaborating on the lyrics.I like Street Legal,but it feels a little produced for my taste,on the other hand you can't not like a record with Changing of the Guard,New Pony and Senor on it.Blood on the Tracks has 10 songs on it and all are good,some better than others,but all good and it has Idiot Wind,Shelter from the Storm and Tangled Up, which would be a great career for most songwriters.That was preceded by Planet Waves which had 6 great songs on it Goin',Goin',Gone,Tough Mama,Something There is About You,Hazel,Wedding Song and Forever Young.He finished off the decade with Slow Train and while I have no use whatsoever for any religious dogma I do enjoy Gotta Serve Somebody and I Believe in You.A couple of others from the decade I like are Ira Hayes from Dylan and Man in Me from New Morning,and the unreleased Abandoned Love,I have a solo acoustic live version from the Other End in 75' with a bunch of different lyrics which is one of my very favorite Dylan pieces.So there you go,lots of 70's material for him to choose from that would /did make me happy.
Very cool story on the background of Every Grain,and I did like her version of Hard Rain,she has a beautiful voice as opposed to Joan Baez,I rather take a cheese grater to the genitals than listen her annoying shrieking.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Dec 2, 2011 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

Michael Grey makes a point, that even without his seminal 60's work, he would still be a great artist . And if you pick and chose from just the 80's, ( Every Grain, Joker man, etc. ) he would still be great artist .
I'm on and off with Joan, some stuff I really like, , but I still laughed at the "cheese grater" comment . And talk about pandering , listen to her song "Children of the 80's" that she performed with the Dead !

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Dec 2, 2011 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

That is a very interesting concept,isolating just his 80's work and he is still a great artist and I would have to agree.I went through his 80's catalog and found 14 great songs.
In the Garden
Every Grain of Sand
In the Summertime
Jokerman
License to Kill
Man of Peace
I and I
I'll Remember You
Dark Eyes
Emotionally Yours
Brownsville Girl
Everything is Broken
Man in the Long Black Coat
Shooting Star

I was a little harsh on Joan,it's not that I don't think she is talented,but her voice truly irritates me.It has been a pleasure chatting about Mr. Dylan with you DD.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Dec 2, 2011 9:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When he paints his masterpiece

I don't find it too strange. A lot of artists (GD), drop great songs from their catalogue in search of a new style, image, sound, etc. Sometimes those songs become too hard to pull off live due to various reasons, often relating to the singer's vocal capabilities, or difficult vocal arrangements(Cosmic Charlie).

Many artists simply get burnt out on some of their own material too, or just suddenly don't enjoy playing certain material anymore. Jerry was very embarrassed about certain songs (Cream Puff War) once he looked back on them. Then again, he was embarrassed listening to anything by himself. There's a hundred possibilities.